and i watched those debates, so i remember what those were all about. but as for as darfur, we can agree on that also, the supported of the no-fly zone, making sure that all options are on the table there also. america is in a position to help. what i've done in my position to help, as the governor of a state that's pretty rich in natural resources, we have a $40 billion investment fund, a savings fund called the alaska permanent fund. when i and others in the legislature found out we had some millions of dollars in sudan, we called for divestment through legislation of those dollars to make sure we weren't doing anything that would be seen as condoning the activities there in darfur. that legislation hasn't passed yet but it needs to because all of us, as individuals, and as humanitarians and as elected officials should do all we can to end those atrocities in that region of the world. >> is there a line that should be drawn about when we decide to go in? >> absolutely. there is a line that should be drawn. >> what is it. >> the line that should be dra